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		<title>HTTP: the Other ESB</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I presented this at Houston Tech Fest 2009 back in September. The attendees received the topic well, and I was pretty happy with it, considering I&#8217;m still learning a lot myself. HTTP: the Other ESB View more presentations from Ryan Riley.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I presented this at Houston Tech Fest 2009 back in September. The attendees received the topic well, and I was pretty happy with it, considering I&#8217;m still learning a lot myself.</p>
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		<title>The Problem with the MVC Frameworks &#8211; Introduction</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 18:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The anticipatory buzz about ASP.NET MVC last year has become a loud clanging about the general MVC pattern this year. We’ve got several people talking about the “M” in MVC (K. Scott, Rob &#38; Javier); the “right” way to make ASP.NET MVC work (Jimmy and Seb); and complete alternatives in the form of FubuMVC (Front [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The anticipatory buzz about ASP.NET MVC last year has become a loud clanging about the general MVC pattern this year. We’ve got several people talking about the “M” in MVC (<a href="http://odetocode.com/blogs/scott/archive/2009/03/30/12714.aspx" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/odetocode.com/blogs/scott/archive/2009/03/30/12714.aspx?referer=');">K. Scott</a>, <a href="http://blog.wekeroad.com/subsonic/putting-the-ldquo-m-rdquo-back-in-mvc/" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/blog.wekeroad.com/subsonic/putting-the-ldquo-m-rdquo-back-in-mvc/?referer=');">Rob</a> &amp; <a href="http://herdingcode.com/?p=177" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/herdingcode.com/?p=177&amp;referer=');">Javier</a>); the “right” way to make ASP.NET MVC work (<a href="http://www.lostechies.com/blogs/jimmy_bogard/archive/2009/06/29/how-we-do-mvc-view-models.aspx" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.lostechies.com/blogs/jimmy_bogard/archive/2009/06/29/how-we-do-mvc-view-models.aspx?referer=');">Jimmy</a> and <a href="http://serialseb.blogspot.com/2009/05/my-mvc-best-practices-talk.html" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/serialseb.blogspot.com/2009/05/my-mvc-best-practices-talk.html?referer=');">Seb</a>); and complete alternatives in the form of <a href="http://fubumvc.pbworks.com/" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/fubumvc.pbworks.com/?referer=');">FubuMVC</a> (<a href="http://www.lostechies.com/blogs/chad_myers/archive/2009/06/18/going-controller-less-in-mvc-the-way-fowler-meant-it.aspx" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.lostechies.com/blogs/chad_myers/archive/2009/06/18/going-controller-less-in-mvc-the-way-fowler-meant-it.aspx?referer=');">Front Controller</a>), <a href="http://bistroframework.org/index.php?title=Bistro_Framework_Home" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/bistroframework.org/index.php?title=Bistro_Framework_Home&amp;referer=');">Bistro</a> (Alex), and—related from a web development perspective if not MVC—<a href="http://openrasta.com/" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/openrasta.com/?referer=');">OpenRasta</a> (<a href="http://serialseb.blogspot.com/" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/serialseb.blogspot.com/?referer=');">Seb</a>). Why do we have all this complexity or all these options? I submit to you that the problems in the pattern as it relates to web design and the complex structures designed to handle it are a result of mixed metaphors; i.e., the web is not a UI but a service platform.</p>
<p>Before moving on, let me just say that by no means am I advocating WebForms or other, similar frameworks. Such things are atrocities that should never have been committed upon this earth. (Okay, I exaggerate a bit, but hopefully you get my point that while I’m about to rag on MVC, some of these other things are worse.)</p>
<p>As I wrote, this thing became far too long for a single post, so I’m breaking it up into sections. I also need to find and tie in the discussion I had with <a href="http://wizardsofsmart.net/author/rookieone">JB</a> about this very thing. I like how that discussion went, although it was based upon other discussions similar to those in the following posts:</p>
<p>1. <a href="http://wizardsofsmart.net/patterns/a-history-of-violence-against-html/">A History of Violence against HTML</a><br />
2. New Names for Old Things<br />
3. Serve me up some of that good ole Appl(ication)e Pie<br />
4. The Web is a Service Bus<br />
5. The Gauntlet</p>
<p>So stay tuned. There’s more to come. <img src='http://wizardsofsmart.net/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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